28 people attended the 8th ESLG meeting in the CSO Rathmines office and remotely via Microsoft Teams, representing ten organisations. A full list of those in attendance can be found at the end of this page.
Organisational Updates from CSO
Statistical Matters
i) Unmet Demand in Post-Primary: measuring out-of-field teaching and subjects not offered due to subject shortages.
ii) Survey of Substitute Teachers: measuring hours available versus hours worked, including location information to identify pressure areas, as well as modules on attitudes and barriers.
iii) Teaching Council Register Analysis: examining the proportion of registered teachers who are in or outside Ireland and, among those in Ireland, how many are working in schools.
iv) Teaching Workforce Bulletin: the first report, based on November/December 2025 data for the 2025/26 school year.
All reports can be accessed here:
Data Matters
Other updates
-alignment of definitions across UOE returns;
-CSO input on AES 2028 variables;
-consideration of TALIS participation and related cost/commitment implications.
Francesca Kay asked about previous participation in TALIS and Paul Alexander noted that Ireland has not participated since 2008, so non-participation now would not represent a significant break in an ongoing series.
Rowena Dwyer asked about the frequency of the Adult Education Survey and noted it is the source for indicators that DFHERIS monitors. Paul Alexander and Rob Kelly confirmed it is run every five years; Rob Kelly noted a useful initial contact point within the CSO would be Helen McGrath (Helen.McGrath@cso.ie).
Organisational Updates from DFHERIS
Other Organisational Updates
Selen Guerin – SOLAS
Nora Condon – SOLAS (SLMRU)
Item 2: Projections of demand for enrolment at tertiary level - John Heslin & Ailsa O’Connor (DFHERIS)
John Heslin presented on updated projections of enrolments in higher education that are due to be published shortly. These represent an update to previously conducted projections.
Francesa Kay queried why CSO population projections were used for mature enrolments but not for the younger cohort. John Heslin clarified that the secondary-level projections produced by DEY that are incorporated would themselves make use of the CSO population projections but are adjusted based on the additional data DEY would have on school-age cohorts.
Francesca Kay also asked about the domicile status of Ukrainians. John Heslin and Rowena Dwyer confirmed that they would be considered non-EU domiciled.
Paul Alexander asked whether distance learning was being taken into account, highlighting that there was increasing interest in this at international level. John Heslin explained the projections related to full-time enrolments based in Ireland only but that future development of the projections may further investigate mode of learning and other variables.
Paul Alexander also asked how often the projections are likely to be updated. John Heslin noted that an update will likely be published in two to three years’ time, but that internally they may be reviewed more frequently to assess their ongoing accuracy.
Francesca Kay asked whether DFHERIS had examined alternative population projections in addition to those produced by CSO. Paul Alexander mentioned projections work by the ESRI and Oliver Ratcliffe noted that the Department of Finance published demographic projections as part of Future Forty.
Ailsa O’Connor then presented on a similar exercise conducted to project enrolments in further education and training, the results of which are due to be published.
Arancha Oviedo noted the possibility that QQI data could enrich the model and expressed that it would be especially valuable to break down the results by NFQ level.
Rob Kelly asked regarding the intention to examine and model the impact of prior educational attainment in future whether the required information would be available. Ailsa O’Connor confirmed that this variable is included in SOLAS’ PLSS.
Rob Kelly also noted the variety of projections-related work going on across the sector and suggested there may be an advantage to closer collaboration within the group on these in future.
Paul Alexander asked about the number of scenarios and whether there was one recommended. Ailsa O’Connor confirmed that there is a baseline scenario which is recommended as the default.
Olwyn Byrne asked for clarification regarding how regional enrolments were distributed to ETB level. Ailsa O’Connor clarified this was based on the relative rates in 2024 and these rates were assumed to remain static into projected years.
Paul Alexander asked whether the projections could be used to inform FET staffing projections. Rowena Dwyer agreed that might be a useful exercise to explore in future.
Selen Guerin concurred that there may be synergies possible by working closer within the group, citing the CSO Further Education Outcomes release as an example, but also stressed the importance of making clear the different definitions and the types of provision included (and not included) in different analyses. For example, the projections presented include only SOLAS funded courses and would include non-certified courses.
Nora Condon mentioned that apprenticeship take-up may respond more to labour market trends rather than be driven by demographic factors. Ailsa O’Connor confirmed that apprenticeship registrations are being forecast as a separate piece of work within DFHERIS. Nora also noted that an upcoming publication by the SLMRU on Sectoral Employment forecasts may be useful to consider.
Rob Kelly referenced a relevant CSO release regarding apprenticeship outcomes previously produced by Anais Colibaba.
Michelle Foley mentioned engagement with SOLAS and QQI and the NAO’s intention to publish more public data via PxStat.
John Heslin presented on updated projections of enrolments in higher education that are due to be published shortly. These represent an update to previously conducted projections.
Francesa Kay queried why CSO population projections were used for mature enrolments but not for the younger cohort. John Heslin clarified that the secondary-level projections produced by DEY that are incorporated would themselves make use of the CSO population projections but are adjusted based on the additional data DEY would have on school-age cohorts.
Francesca Kay also asked about the domicile status of Ukrainians. John Heslin and Rowena Dwyer confirmed that they would be considered non-EU domiciled.
Paul Alexander asked whether distance learning was being taken into account, highlighting that there was increasing interest in this at international level. John Heslin explained the projections related to full-time enrolments based in Ireland only but that future development of the projections may further investigate mode of learning and other variables.
Paul Alexander also asked how often the projections are likely to be updated. John Heslin noted that an update will likely be published in two to three years’ time, but that internally they may be reviewed more frequently to assess their ongoing accuracy.
Francesca Kay asked whether DFHERIS had examined alternative population projections in addition to those produced by CSO. Paul Alexander mentioned projections work by the ESRI and Oliver Ratcliffe noted that the Department of Finance published demographic projections as part of Future Forty.
Ailsa O’Connor then presented on a similar exercise conducted to project enrolments in further education and training, the results of which are due to be published.
Arancha Oviedo noted the possibility that QQI data could enrich the model and expressed that it would be especially valuable to break down the results by NFQ level.
Rob Kelly asked regarding the intention to examine and model the impact of prior educational attainment in future whether the required information would be available. Ailsa O’Connor confirmed that this variable is included in SOLAS’ PLSS.
Rob Kelly also noted the variety of projections-related work going on across the sector and suggested there may be an advantage to closer collaboration within the group on these in future.
Paul Alexander asked about the number of scenarios and whether there was one recommended. Ailsa O’Connor confirmed that there is a baseline scenario which is recommended as the default.
Olwyn Byrne asked for clarification regarding how regional enrolments were distributed to ETB level. Ailsa O’Connor clarified this was based on the relative rates in 2024 and these rates were assumed to remain static into projected years.
Paul Alexander asked whether the projections could be used to inform FET staffing projections. Rowena Dwyer agreed that might be a useful exercise to explore in future.
Selen Guerin concurred that there may be synergies possible by working closer within the group, citing the CSO Further Education Outcomes release as an example, but also stressed the importance of making clear the different definitions and the types of provision included (and not included) in different analyses. For example, the projections presented include only SOLAS funded courses and would include non-certified courses.
Nora Condon mentioned that apprenticeship take-up may respond more to labour market trends rather than be driven by demographic factors. Ailsa O’Connor confirmed that apprenticeship registrations are being forecast as a separate piece of work within DFHERIS. Nora also noted that an upcoming publication by the SLMRU on Sectoral Employment forecasts may be useful to consider.
Rob Kelly referenced a relevant CSO release regarding apprenticeship outcomes previously produced by Anais Colibaba.
Michelle Foley mentioned engagement with SOLAS and QQI and the NAO’s intention to publish more public data via PxStat.
Item 3: Trends in numbers graduating with bachelors or masters degrees from 2015 to 2024 – Arancha Oviedo (QQI)
Arancha Oviedo presented a report from QQI published as part of their Data Series, exploring graduation trends at NFQ levels 8 and 9 across both private/independent and public higher education institutions. The report highlighted the growing share of master's degrees relative to honours bachelor’s degrees and explored how this varied by factors such as institution status, field of study, age, and gender.
She also highlighted updated dashboards published by QQI on their website: https://www.qqi.ie/QQICertificationData
Francesca Kay asked about fee levels for international students and Rowena Dwyer confirmed that fees would vary depending on students’ status.
Item 4: Socio-Economic Profiles of School Pupils using Census/Administrative Data - Paddy Furlong & Mark McCrystall (CSO)
Paddy Furlong and Mark McCrystall presented a broad overview of the rationale and methodology behind a planned CSO pathfinder release, investigating the socio-economic composition of pupils in primary and post-primary schools, using both Census and administrative data sources. This release arose from an original request from the Department of the Taoiseach and the Department of Education and Youth
Rob Kelly noted that this represented a summary of the work to date and that the full release with results will be published soon.
Paul Alexander noted challenge of changing small areas and changing deprivation index status in the years between censuses.
Rob Kelly expressed the intention to develop an RMF based on this work to facilitate expert users to make use of it. He additionally noted the potential benefit of its eventual incorporation into the broader Educational Longitudinal Database (ELD).
Olwyn Byrne agreed, suggesting that it might be of value to incorporate into future work regarding teacher supply and demand to better understand teacher characteristics.
Rob Kelly noted that this represented a summary of the work to date and that the full release with results will be published soon.
Paul Alexander noted challenge of changing small areas and changing deprivation index status in the years between censuses.
Rob Kelly expressed the intention to develop an RMF based on this work to facilitate expert users to make use of it. He additionally noted the potential benefit of its eventual incorporation into the broader Educational Longitudinal Database (ELD).
Olwyn Byrne agreed, suggesting that it might be of value to incorporate into future work regarding teacher supply and demand to better understand teacher characteristics.
AOB / Open Discussion
Maria Riordan introduced herself from SOLAS as replacing Yvonne McKenna, highlighting that 2026 represents the approximate halfway point through the lifetime of the current Adult Literacy for Life strategy.
Rob Kelly closed the meeting advising that an invitation to the next meeting on the 20th November will be circulated and welcoming any suggestions of items to be presented at that meeting.
| Paul Alexander | DEY |
| Olwyn Byrne | DEY |
| Sean Swift | DEY |
| Catherine Fraser | DEY |
| Patrick O’Rourke | DEY |
| John Heslin | DFHERIS |
| Rowena Dwyer | DFHERIS |
| Ailsa O'Connor | DFHERIS |
| Maria Riordan | SOLAS |
| Rob Kelly | CSO |
| Mark McCrystall | CSO |
| Paddy Furlong | CSO |
| Lisa Keenan | CSO |
| Oliver Ratcliffe | CSO |
| Francesca Kay | CSO |
| Laura Delaney | CSO |
| Anais Colibaba | CSO |
| Alisha Ratigan | DEY |
| Selen Guerin | SOLAS |
| Michelle Foley |
National Apprenticeship Office |
| Arancha Oviedo | QQI |
| Vivienne Patterson | HEA |
| Karen Eastwood | The Teaching Council |
| Vincent Downey | SUSI |
| Eamon O'Leary | CSO |
| Nora Condon | SOLAS |
| Rachel Perkins | ERC |
| Fiona Daly |
SOLAS |
| Anne-Marie Sherkle | DEY |
| Janice Lau | HEA |
| Valerie Harvey | HEA |
| Siobhan Healy | The Teaching Council |
| Aoife Crawford | NALA |
| Colleen Dube | NALA |